tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29837133.post1329218072281438728..comments2023-10-22T09:35:50.702-05:00Comments on Spes mea Christus!: The Problem With Placing One’s Faith On a Pseudonymous Blogger Rather Than In a Visible Church (Part I).Paul Hofferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09182683665344747977noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29837133.post-51091159305228112922013-08-16T22:23:38.924-05:002013-08-16T22:23:38.924-05:00So, is Mr. Parker a liar - or perhaps playing on t...So, is Mr. Parker a liar - or perhaps playing on the "I'm Spartacus!" posting which TF posted?CathApolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11555309542380876999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29837133.post-63697909275051722452013-08-16T20:35:43.253-05:002013-08-16T20:35:43.253-05:00Scott, LOL! That said, I can certainly aver that ...Scott, LOL! That said, I can certainly aver that Mr. Parker is not TurretinFan, let alone an entomologist who would know that bees do not emerge from cocoons.Paul Hofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09182683665344747977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29837133.post-28471412527437032342013-08-16T18:10:10.056-05:002013-08-16T18:10:10.056-05:00http://www.bringthebooks.org/2011/03/its-true-i-am...<a href="http://www.bringthebooks.org/2011/03/its-true-i-am-turretinfan.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bringthebooks.org/2011/03/its-true-i-am-turretinfan.html</a>CathApolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11555309542380876999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29837133.post-51099288306416818602011-03-29T14:38:38.082-05:002011-03-29T14:38:38.082-05:00Hilarious that James Swan would come in here and c...<i>Hilarious that James Swan would come in here and chastise you</i><br /><br />From now on when reading Paul's blog, I'll assume "I" means "we". That should clear things up. My mistake was thinking "I" meant "I". Silly me. <br /><br />For practice, I'll watch Lord of the Rings, and concentrate on Gollum's use of "we".James Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29837133.post-52879968889074667192011-03-27T18:34:16.008-05:002011-03-27T18:34:16.008-05:00Hilarious that James Swan would come in here and c...Hilarious that James Swan would come in here and chastise you...you who has made it clear that you will NOT reveal the true identify of "Turretin Fan." <br /><br />What you should say, James, is: Paul, thank you for reflecting on this and thank you for having the charity to keep this under your hat yada yada yada. Instead let the fangs come out right?Raymondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06341480161054661420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29837133.post-72285514091657112422011-03-27T14:11:59.770-05:002011-03-27T14:11:59.770-05:00Hello Mr. Swan. Thank you for visiting my blog. ...Hello Mr. Swan. Thank you for visiting my blog. <br /><br />Mr. Donald is right. This was not a solo endeavor, but the reason for the "I" is that I conducted the bulk of work for the purposes outlined in the article. Moreover, I chose to write it for the reasons outlined therein-that people should not worry about who our antagonists are, but rather deal with the content of what they are saying-a proposition I later saw you touched upon by referencing something that Pope Benedict XVI said in a papal audience and something that folks on your side of Tiber should endeavor to emulate too. <br /><br />I choose not to go into anymore details as such might either be used by others to uncover Mr. Fan's identity or the identities of the others who know who he is which would undermine the thrust of the article. <br /><br />Mr. Donald also is correct that those persons have chosen not to reveal his identity agreeing with the principle of charity outlined in my article. <br /><br />My honor, poor tattered thing that it is, remaining intact, I bid you adieu.Paul Hofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09182683665344747977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29837133.post-30302194412602501242011-03-27T12:42:30.212-05:002011-03-27T12:42:30.212-05:00Jamie, from Mr. Hoffer's entry:
Sure enough, ...Jamie, from Mr. Hoffer's entry:<br /><br /><i>Sure enough, using the aforementioned information as well as other documentation publically available on the internet, I was soon able to determine to a quantum of proof what practitioners of the legal arts would call “clear and convincing” the true identity of the man known as Turretinfan. <br /><br />In doing so, I will state unequivocally that the information I used can be found on publically accessible databases on the internet if one knows where to look and how to research. Further, I will state unequivocally no confidences have been betrayed nor have I used any secret legal resource in any manner to ferret out Mr. Fan’s mild-mannered alter ego. </i><br /><br />Note the repeated use of the word "I". <br /><br />Perhaps Mr. Hoffer can explain if he was helped in his Columbo work, so therefore others join him in being honorable, or if Mr. Hoffer decided it was honorable to tell a few friends his findings.James Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29837133.post-59909617932319621322011-03-27T09:02:50.979-05:002011-03-27T09:02:50.979-05:00Translation: telling a few of my buddies who Tfan ...<i>Translation: telling a few of my buddies who Tfan is, is honorable. LOL</i><br /><br />Another equally valid translation is that the research was accomplished by more than one person and each of the involved both know the identity and choose to not reveal it. I would suggest caution to not read too much into something.Jamie Donaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12338348714405289399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29837133.post-24608995029977278312011-03-27T07:25:20.461-05:002011-03-27T07:25:20.461-05:00Yet, for reasons that I shall make clear shortly, ...<i>Yet, for reasons that I shall make clear shortly, I do not intend to “out” Mr. Fan. His real name, known to myself and to a few select friends whom I choose not to disclose, will remain a secret for another day. Despite what he and his fellow contra-Catholic bloggers may think of us, we Catholic apologists are a far more honorable, a far more charitable, and dare I say it, a far more Christian breed than he and they would credit us. If anyone is going to reveal Mr. Fan’s name, let it be either himself or one of his Protestant brethren to do so.</i><br /><br />Translation: telling a few of my buddies who Tfan is, is honorable. LOLJames Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29837133.post-13332645538654033932011-03-26T21:50:04.222-05:002011-03-26T21:50:04.222-05:00Hi Mr. Bugay, thank you for visiting my blog. I ha...Hi Mr. Bugay, thank you for visiting my blog. I have chosen to ignore your gratuitous comments about how I regard myself. I wrote the way that I did to make it clear that my reasons for not outing Mr. Fan are not nefarious, no more, no less. <br /><br />Also, I wanted to make it clear how we should treat each other in our dealings which goes for non-anonymous personages as well as those who use noms de guerre. If you perceived my writings to be clapping myself on my back, rest assured that I did not attempt such a dislocation. <br /><br />Also, considering the parallels between your interactions with TF using his pseudonym and your interactions with him using his real name, I find it hard to believe that you do not know who he is.<br /><br />Anyway, again thank you for visiting.Paul Hofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09182683665344747977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29837133.post-32653220944551739322011-03-26T14:48:53.679-05:002011-03-26T14:48:53.679-05:00Oh, and as an anonymous/pseudonymous blogger mysel...Oh, and as an anonymous/pseudonymous blogger myself, I would also like to thank you for your restraint.<br /><br />RdPFred Noltiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10203885485191808284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29837133.post-24985263885398632712011-03-26T14:40:49.066-05:002011-03-26T14:40:49.066-05:00Paul,
It is extremely good to see you active agai...Paul,<br /><br />It is <strong>extremely</strong> good to see you active again. :-)<br /><br />RdPFred Noltiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10203885485191808284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29837133.post-39089729071196773922011-03-26T12:41:05.931-05:002011-03-26T12:41:05.931-05:00I would note that some of the most invaluable corr...<i> I would note that some of the most invaluable corroboration in regards to Turretinfan’s real world name comes from comments strewn about the internet written by John Bugay, a lapsed Catholic cum Presbyterian polemicist,</i><br /><br />Paul Hoffer, I have no idea how any of my comments could have led you in the direction of Turretinfan's identity, given that I have no idea who he is, and nor do I care to know.<br /><br />I suppose the only thing that's more wonderful than your vow not to reveal his identity, is the warm regard you seem to have for yourself for not doing so.<br /><br />God bless!John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29837133.post-17808779229558638202011-03-25T12:48:59.931-05:002011-03-25T12:48:59.931-05:00I was able to interact a bit recently with Mr. Tur...I was able to interact a bit recently with Mr. Turretinfan regarding his idol "Doctor" White.<br /><br />http://catholicquestioning.blogspot.com/2011/03/beggars-all-and-james-white.htmlJohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188632219211162350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29837133.post-62433413783705412122011-03-25T11:16:26.020-05:002011-03-25T11:16:26.020-05:00I pity the man, honestly, but I do agree that hope...I pity the man, honestly, but I do agree that hopefully the fact that he is 'out' at least to some and probobly more than he realizes, will cause him to reflect on how he carries himself in the blogosphere. <br /><br />- Sean PatrickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29837133.post-62178108737469309452011-03-25T09:47:46.944-05:002011-03-25T09:47:46.944-05:00The only thing that makes me laugh harder is when ...The only thing that makes me laugh harder is when White went to Australia and posed with a fragment of a manuscript like he just dug it up and dusted it off. The hats fiasco was pretty funny too. And what about that hideous talking Turretin fan cartoon? OK, I am getting punchy here, I haven't slept for two days. Forgive me. These are oldies but goodies when you want a good chuckle. <br /><br />http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3457<br /><br />http://catholicchampion.blogspot.com/2008/08/james-whites-hats-out-of-control.htmlJames Bellisariohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01786370386909499672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29837133.post-48782286141550481432011-03-25T08:54:44.332-05:002011-03-25T08:54:44.332-05:00I am also sure that he would not make some of the ...I am also sure that he would not make some of the ridiculous comments he has made if he was using his real identity. But what really amuses me however is how seriously James White takes him. How one can go on a radio show, hail yourself as being a scholar, and then announce to your listeners that you have the great Turretin Fan on as your guest scholar, is quite laughable.James Bellisariohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01786370386909499672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29837133.post-672938723952280232011-03-24T19:48:15.635-05:002011-03-24T19:48:15.635-05:00Well said!
I could care less whether he wants to...Well said! <br /><br />I could care less whether he wants to remain anonymous. I do find it odd though. It seems to me that this is an issue of character. He obviously values some other thing(s) more than being personally associated with his faith. He appears to be personally ashamed of the Gospel he espouses because he doesn't want those beliefs attributed to himself, but rather this caricature he created. This lack of virtue is sad, and in the case of true danger, is not the heroism we should aspire to as Christians.Alexander Grecohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18317035068895563791noreply@blogger.com